Methods and apparatus for thinner package on package (“PoP”) structures. A structure includes a first integrated circuit package including at least one integrated circuit device mounted on a first substrate and a plurality of package on package connectors extending from a bottom surface; and a second integrated circuit package including at least another integrated circuit device mounted on a second substrate and a plurality of lands on an upper surface coupled to the plurality of package on package connectors, and a plurality of external connectors extending from a bottom surface; wherein at least the second substrate is formed of a plurality of layers of laminated dielectric and conductors. In another embodiment a cavity is formed on the bottom surface of the first substrate and a portion of the another integrated circuit extends partially into the cavity. Methods for making the PoP structures are disclosed.